I think the point has been made that Facebook is relevant to certain businesses. The argument continues because many of us (myself included) joined this list with the intention of receiving network related outage notifications. Honest question: is it really that hard to create a second list and separate cloud services into one list and network outages into another? And Chris, I know you were joking in your email, but I actually agree with it. I think it's important to point out flaws so we can continually improve. Clearly there are people here that aren't happy with the list, so why not try to help improve it so we can eliminate these types of issues? Anywho, I'm done. I've made my point. Thanks for listening! :thumbsup: Michael J. Ferullo <www.hinckleyallen.com> Systems Administrator ________________________________ Hinckley Allen <http://www.hinckleyallen.com/> 28 State Street Boston, MA 02109-1775 p: 617-378-4226 | f: 617-345-9020 mferullo@hinckleyallen.com<mailto:mferullo@hinckleyallen.com> From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> On Behalf Of Laura Ulrick via Outages Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:41 AM To: outages@outages.org Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow Workplace, Facebook Connect, and Marketing (days before the biggest shopping day of the year) are all critical to enough people- perhaps not everyone, but enough individuals and businesses rely on it to make it critical to them. But I'd rather be able to tell customers that it's down for a large portion of users, than read 20+ emails about how its not important enough to be on this list. Discussing the worthiness of an outage shouldn't take more emails than discussing the actual outage. Which btw- NW Ohio here, mobile is slow but working... desktop is slower and images/posts aren't fully loading. 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Or OpenID? Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org><mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org> on behalf of Steven McCrory via Outages <outages@outages.org><mailto:outages@outages.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 7:22:49 AM To: 'Mike Bolitho'; outages@ics-il.net<mailto:outages@ics-il.net>; outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org> Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow Wholeheartedly agree From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org><mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org> On Behalf Of Mike Bolitho via Outages Sent: 20 November 2018 15:18 To: outages@ics-il.net<mailto:outages@ics-il.net> Cc: outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org> Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow I would encourage everyone to revisit the info page for the outages mailing list found here: https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages "The purpose of this list is to have a central place to lookup and report so that end users & network operators know why their services (e-mail, phones, etc) went down eliminating the need to open tons of trouble tickets during a major event. One master ticket - such as fiber cut affect xxx OC48's would suffice. We hope this would empower users and network operators to post such events so that everyone could benefit from it. " The list is for reporting outages on carrier networks and has grown to cloud services (AWS, Azure) as those have expanded. Facebook is not a provider of any meaningful business critical services, and therefore does not fit in this forum. - Mike Bolitho On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 7:57 AM Mike Hammett via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote: Facebook is a fairly commonly used service. 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