It's getting ridiculous really. If your end users are really complaining to you that much about Facebook you have other issues. Bringing this to the outages mailing list is not the proper place. - Mike Bolitho On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 7:52 AM Tanner Ryan via Outages <outages@outages.org> wrote:

I don’t see the point of sending this in the outages mailing list.

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LastPass is currently down/unusable as well at this time (UK north west) status.lastpass.com shows they’re aware and working on it. Zach Ferrigno Network & Systems Support Engineer, ELF Productivity t: 01257256018 e: zachf@elf.uk.com | w: https://www.timeandattendance.co.uk a: CEEQUEL House, 2 Smithy Court, Wigan, WN3 6PS The information in this e-mail and any attachment(s) is confidential and may be legally privileged. This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the addressee, dissemination, copying or other use of this e-mail or any of its content is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient please inform the sender immediately and destroy the e-mail and any copies. All liability for viruses is excluded to the fullest extent permitted by law. Any views expressed in this message are those of the inspanidual sender. No contract may be construed by this e-mail. Any information you provide is held in accordance with our privacy policy From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Outages Sent: 20 November 2018 14:56 To: Tanner Ryan <canadatechguy@gmail.com> Cc: outages@outages.org Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow Facebook is a fairly commonly used service. Also, it's currently broken and has been so for about an hour. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________________________ From: "Tanner Ryan via Outages" <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> To: "jimmy keffer" <horsezip@earthlink.net<mailto:horsezip@earthlink.net>> Cc: outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 8:50:40 AM Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow I don’t see the point of sending this in the outages mailing list. Best, Tanner Ryan<https://TannerRyan.ca> canadatechguy@gmail.com<mailto:canadatechguy@gmail.com> _______________________________________________ Outages mailing list Outages@outages.org<mailto:Outages@outages.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages

The moderators have said, explicitly, multiple times that large service providers such as Facebook and YouTube are on-topic for this list. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Aubrey Wells Packethead Consulting, LLC Helping you get your bits together since 0x7DE On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:18 AM Mike Bolitho via Outages < outages@outages.org> wrote:

I would encourage everyone to revisit the info page for the outages mailing list found here: https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages

*"The purpose of this list is to have a central place to lookup and report so that end users & network operators know why their services (e-mail, phones, etc) went down eliminating the need to open tons of trouble tickets during a major event. One master ticket - such as fiber cut affect xxx OC48's would suffice. We hope this would empower users and network operators to post such events so that everyone could benefit from it. "*

The list is for reporting outages on carrier networks and has grown to cloud services (AWS, Azure) as those have expanded. Facebook is not a provider of any meaningful business critical services, and therefore does not fit in this forum.

- Mike Bolitho

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 7:57 AM Mike Hammett via Outages < outages@outages.org> wrote:

...

Facebook is a fairly commonly used service.

Also, it's currently broken and has been so for about an hour.

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I don’t see the point of sending this in the outages mailing list.

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Also much in agreement here. I signed up for this list for exactly what Mike stated: meaningful business critical services. I’d suggest someone spearhead the creation of another list for anything “social media” related. Michael J. Ferullo <www.hinckleyallen.com> Systems Administrator ________________________________ Hinckley Allen <http://www.hinckleyallen.com/> 28 State Street Boston, MA 02109-1775 p: 617-378-4226 | f: 617-345-9020 mferullo@hinckleyallen.com<mailto:mferullo@hinckleyallen.com> From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> On Behalf Of Steven McCrory via Outages Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:23 AM To: 'Mike Bolitho' <mikebolitho@gmail.com>; outages@ics-il.net; outages@outages.org Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow Wholeheartedly agree From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org<mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org>> On Behalf Of Mike Bolitho via Outages Sent: 20 November 2018 15:18 To: outages@ics-il.net<mailto:outages@ics-il.net> Cc: outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org> Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow I would encourage everyone to revisit the info page for the outages mailing list found here: https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages "The purpose of this list is to have a central place to lookup and report so that end users & network operators know why their services (e-mail, phones, etc) went down eliminating the need to open tons of trouble tickets during a major event. One master ticket - such as fiber cut affect xxx OC48's would suffice. We hope this would empower users and network operators to post such events so that everyone could benefit from it. " The list is for reporting outages on carrier networks and has grown to cloud services (AWS, Azure) as those have expanded. Facebook is not a provider of any meaningful business critical services, and therefore does not fit in this forum. - Mike Bolitho On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 7:57 AM Mike Hammett via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote: Facebook is a fairly commonly used service. 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Agreed. For example, we’re an educational setting, and it’s in common use for community communications here. Also, it’s worth pointing out that the by-chatter on this issue has generated ten times the traffic that the original notification did. If a notification isn’t useful to you in particular, surely you can let it go by without comment. Tks, R. Rob Repp Network Administrator Winnetka Public Schools District 36 robrepp@winnetka36.org <mailto:robrepp@winnetka36.org> 847.501.2848 (w) 847.274.0860 (m) "Conatus es pausa et denuo initus?"

On Nov 20, 2018, at 9:27 AM, Otto, Doug via Outages <outages@outages.org> wrote:

Whether Facebook is or isn’t business critical depends on the nature of the business. If it’s not important to you, ignore the email. What’s so hard about that?

From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org <mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org>> on behalf of "Ferullo, Michael J. via Outages" <outages@outages.org <mailto:outages@outages.org>> Reply-To: "Ferullo, Michael J." <mferullo@hinckleyallen.com <mailto:mferullo@hinckleyallen.com>> Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 8:25 AM To: 'Steven McCrory' <steven@simplyip.net <mailto:steven@simplyip.net>>, 'Mike Bolitho' <mikebolitho@gmail.com <mailto:mikebolitho@gmail.com>>, "outages@ics-il.net <mailto:outages@ics-il.net>" <outages@ics-il.net <mailto:outages@ics-il.net>> Cc: "'outages@outages.org <mailto:outages@outages.org>'" <outages@outages.org <mailto:outages@outages.org>> Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow

Also much in agreement here. I signed up for this list for exactly what Mike stated: meaningful business critical services. I’d suggest someone spearhead the creation of another list for anything “social media” related.

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From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org <mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org>> On Behalf Of Steven McCrory via Outages Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:23 AM To: 'Mike Bolitho' <mikebolitho@gmail.com <mailto:mikebolitho@gmail.com>>; outages@ics-il.net <mailto:outages@ics-il.net>; outages@outages.org <mailto:outages@outages.org> Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow

Wholeheartedly agree

From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org <mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org>> On Behalf Of Mike Bolitho via Outages Sent: 20 November 2018 15:18 To: outages@ics-il.net <mailto:outages@ics-il.net> Cc: outages@outages.org <mailto:outages@outages.org> Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow

I would encourage everyone to revisit the info page for the outages mailing list found here: https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages <https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages>

"The purpose of this list is to have a central place to lookup and report so that end users & network operators know why their services (e-mail, phones, etc) went down eliminating the need to open tons of trouble tickets during a major event. One master ticket - such as fiber cut affect xxx OC48's would suffice. We hope this would empower users and network operators to post such events so that everyone could benefit from it. "

The list is for reporting outages on carrier networks and has grown to cloud services (AWS, Azure) as those have expanded. Facebook is not a provider of any meaningful business critical services, and therefore does not fit in this forum.

- Mike Bolitho

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 7:57 AM Mike Hammett via Outages <outages@outages.org <mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote: Facebook is a fairly commonly used service.

Also, it's currently broken and has been so for about an hour.

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I don’t see the point of sending this in the outages mailing list.

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If only there was a discussion list, to discuss what is and is not on topic for the outages mailing list. If it were me, I'd name it outages-discussion. ;-) Ken On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 8:47 AM Christopher Conley via Outages < outages@outages.org> wrote:

“Also, it’s worth pointing out that the by-chatter on this issue has generated ten times the traffic that the original notification did. If a notification isn’t useful to you in particular, surely you can let it go by without comment.”

But if you just ignore it like a reasonable person, other people wouldn’t know that they’re being *wrong* on the Internet! We can’t let that happen, Rob. We must be vigilant in our gatekeeping.

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*From:* Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Rob Repp via Outages *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:33 AM *To:* Otto, Doug <dotto@phs.org> *Cc:* outages@outages.org *Subject:* Re: [outages] facebook slow

Agreed. For example, we’re an educational setting, and it’s in common use for community communications here. Also, it’s worth pointing out that the by-chatter on this issue has generated ten times the traffic that the original notification did. If a notification isn’t useful to you in particular, surely you can let it go by without comment.

Tks,

R.

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On Nov 20, 2018, at 9:27 AM, Otto, Doug via Outages <outages@outages.org> wrote:

Whether Facebook is or isn’t business critical depends on the nature of the business. If it’s not important to you, ignore the email. What’s so hard about that?

*From: *Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> on behalf of "Ferullo, Michael J. via Outages" <outages@outages.org> *Reply-To: *"Ferullo, Michael J." <mferullo@hinckleyallen.com> *Date: *Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 8:25 AM *To: *'Steven McCrory' <steven@simplyip.net>, 'Mike Bolitho' < mikebolitho@gmail.com>, "outages@ics-il.net" <outages@ics-il.net> *Cc: *"'outages@outages.org'" <outages@outages.org> *Subject: *Re: [outages] facebook slow

Also much in agreement here. I signed up for this list for exactly what Mike stated: meaningful business critical services. I’d suggest someone spearhead the creation of another list for anything “social media” related.

*Michael J. Ferullo* *Systems Administrator* ------------------------------

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*From:* Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Steven McCrory via Outages *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:23 AM *To:* 'Mike Bolitho' <mikebolitho@gmail.com>; outages@ics-il.net; outages@outages.org *Subject:* Re: [outages] facebook slow

Wholeheartedly agree

*From:* Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Mike Bolitho via Outages *Sent:* 20 November 2018 15:18 *To:* outages@ics-il.net *Cc:* outages@outages.org *Subject:* Re: [outages] facebook slow

I would encourage everyone to revisit the info page for the outages mailing list found here: https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages

*"The purpose of this list is to have a central place to lookup and report so that end users & network operators know why their services (e-mail, phones, etc) went down eliminating the need to open tons of trouble tickets during a major event. One master ticket - such as fiber cut affect xxx OC48's would suffice. We hope this would empower users and network operators to post such events so that everyone could benefit from it. "*

The list is for reporting outages on carrier networks and has grown to cloud services (AWS, Azure) as those have expanded. Facebook is not a provider of any meaningful business critical services, and therefore does not fit in this forum.

- Mike Bolitho

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 7:57 AM Mike Hammett via Outages < outages@outages.org> wrote:

Facebook is a fairly commonly used service.

Also, it's currently broken and has been so for about an hour.

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*From: *"Tanner Ryan via Outages" <outages@outages.org> *To: *"jimmy keffer" <horsezip@earthlink.net> *Cc: *outages@outages.org *Sent: *Tuesday, November 20, 2018 8:50:40 AM *Subject: *Re: [outages] facebook slow

I don’t see the point of sending this in the outages mailing list.

Best,

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Not to be a negative Nancy, but the “me too‘s” are probably less valid of a post than the perceived less valuable social media outage posts. Facebook does now host and provide business productivity tools, so does that change any relevance? Happy Holidays! James Laszko Mythos Technology Inc On Nov 20, 2018, at 7:25 AM, Ferullo, Michael J. via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote: Also much in agreement here. I signed up for this list for exactly what Mike stated: meaningful business critical services. I’d suggest someone spearhead the creation of another list for anything “social media” related. Michael J. Ferullo <www.hinckleyallen.com> Systems Administrator ________________________________ Hinckley Allen <http://www.hinckleyallen.com/> 28 State Street Boston, MA 02109-1775 p: 617-378-4226 | f: 617-345-9020 mferullo@hinckleyallen.com<mailto:mferullo@hinckleyallen.com> From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org<mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org>> On Behalf Of Steven McCrory via Outages Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:23 AM To: 'Mike Bolitho' <mikebolitho@gmail.com<mailto:mikebolitho@gmail.com>>; outages@ics-il.net<mailto:outages@ics-il.net>; outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org> Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow Wholeheartedly agree From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org<mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org>> On Behalf Of Mike Bolitho via Outages Sent: 20 November 2018 15:18 To: outages@ics-il.net<mailto:outages@ics-il.net> Cc: outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org> Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow I would encourage everyone to revisit the info page for the outages mailing list found here: https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages "The purpose of this list is to have a central place to lookup and report so that end users & network operators know why their services (e-mail, phones, etc) went down eliminating the need to open tons of trouble tickets during a major event. One master ticket - such as fiber cut affect xxx OC48's would suffice. We hope this would empower users and network operators to post such events so that everyone could benefit from it. " The list is for reporting outages on carrier networks and has grown to cloud services (AWS, Azure) as those have expanded. Facebook is not a provider of any meaningful business critical services, and therefore does not fit in this forum. - Mike Bolitho On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 7:57 AM Mike Hammett via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote: Facebook is a fairly commonly used service. 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apply to failures of major communications infrastructure components having significant traffic-carrying capacity

Well if that doesn't include Facebook I don't know what does. Facebook.com is #3 in the world on a day to day basis. In emergency cases it's very useful. However I do have to agree - the "me too" posts get kind of annoying. Once we've got a few posts and an idea on locality of the issue I think individuals can leave the thread alone. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Alex Stender via Outages < outages@outages.org> wrote:

I would have to agree with James. FB, LinkedIn, Instagram, Twitter etc are very important for business.!

But I am happy to abide by the list’s rules.

___________________________________

Alex Stender

Operations Director

London Web

alex.stender@londonweb.net

+44 20 8349 4500

http://londonweb.net

*From:* Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> *On Behalf Of *James Laszko via Outages *Sent:* 20 November 2018 15:29 *To:* Ferullo, Michael J. <mferullo@hinckleyallen.com>

*Cc:* outages@outages.org *Subject:* Re: [outages] facebook slow

Not to be a negative Nancy, but the “me too‘s” are probably less valid of a post than the perceived less valuable social media outage posts.

Facebook does now host and provide business productivity tools, so does that change any relevance?

Happy Holidays!

James Laszko

Mythos Technology Inc

On Nov 20, 2018, at 7:25 AM, Ferullo, Michael J. via Outages < outages@outages.org> wrote:

Also much in agreement here. I signed up for this list for exactly what Mike stated: meaningful business critical services. I’d suggest someone spearhead the creation of another list for anything “social media” related.

*Michael J. Ferullo* <http://www.hinckleyallen.com> *Systems Administrator* ------------------------------

Hinckley Allen <http://www.hinckleyallen.com/> 28 State Street <https://maps.google.com/?q=28+State+Street+Boston,+MA+02109&entry=gmail&source=g> Boston, MA 02109 <https://maps.google.com/?q=28+State+Street+Boston,+MA+02109&entry=gmail&source=g>-1775

p: 617-378-4226 | f: 617-345-9020 mferullo@hinckleyallen.com

*From:* Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Steven McCrory via Outages *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:23 AM *To:* 'Mike Bolitho' <mikebolitho@gmail.com>; outages@ics-il.net; outages@outages.org *Subject:* Re: [outages] facebook slow

Wholeheartedly agree

*From:* Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Mike Bolitho via Outages *Sent:* 20 November 2018 15:18 *To:* outages@ics-il.net *Cc:* outages@outages.org *Subject:* Re: [outages] facebook slow

I would encourage everyone to revisit the info page for the outages mailing list found here: https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages

*"The purpose of this list is to have a central place to lookup and report so that end users & network operators know why their services (e-mail, phones, etc) went down eliminating the need to open tons of trouble tickets during a major event. One master ticket - such as fiber cut affect xxx OC48's would suffice. We hope this would empower users and network operators to post such events so that everyone could benefit from it. "*

The list is for reporting outages on carrier networks and has grown to cloud services (AWS, Azure) as those have expanded. Facebook is not a provider of any meaningful business critical services, and therefore does not fit in this forum.

- Mike Bolitho

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 7:57 AM Mike Hammett via Outages < outages@outages.org> wrote:

Facebook is a fairly commonly used service.

Also, it's currently broken and has been so for about an hour.

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*From: *"Tanner Ryan via Outages" <outages@outages.org> *To: *"jimmy keffer" <horsezip@earthlink.net> *Cc: *outages@outages.org *Sent: *Tuesday, November 20, 2018 8:50:40 AM *Subject: *Re: [outages] facebook slow

I don’t see the point of sending this in the outages mailing list.

Best,

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Gentlemen, some of you complain more than help. To judge the criticality of a service for other businesses is simply ignorant. An issue with a service as vast as FB could certainly be related to carrier services... As you all know, Cloud/SaaS services have evolved to a degree in which outages have a larger impact on businesses today than ever before and thus this list, like it or not, has also evolved.

From what I'm aware of the US is currently experiencing issues with FB, Instagram and LastPass. The latter is impacting business for us. Coincidence? Maybe. The root cause will certainly be interesting.

Andrew LaPour VP of Information Technology Sent from my phone. Forgive the brevity, the typos and the lack of nuance. Confidentiality Notice: The information transmitted is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and /or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived. -------- Original Message -------- From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> on behalf of Nick Pron via Outages <outages@outages.org> Date: Tue, November 20, 2018 9:38 AM -0600 To: outages@outages.org Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow Caution: The e-mail below originated from an external source. Please do not open attachments or click links from an unknown or suspicious origin. Report suspicious e-mails here<http://forms/view.php?id=20485>. PLEASE, DO NOT FORWARD POTENTIALLY SUSPICIOUS E-MAILS, DELETE THEM INSTEAD. Just saying that FB is integrated with a lot of applications with their Connect platform... Knowing it could be down could be useful for some folks… Just because you guys dislike/don’t use FB doesn’t mean it might not be useful to some people Nick Pron | Senior Infrastructure Analyst, Computer Ops 1303 Yonge Street, Toronto, ON, M4T 2Y9, Canada P: 416-323-6610 ext. 6610 | Nick.Pron@cineplex.com<mailto:Nick.Pron@cineplex.com> Cineplex.com<http://www.cineplex.com/> [http://mediafiles.cineplex.com/emailsignature/HomeOffice_Cineplex_Waterstone...] From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> On Behalf Of Ferullo, Michael J. via Outages Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:25 AM To: 'Steven McCrory' <steven@simplyip.net>; 'Mike Bolitho' <mikebolitho@gmail.com>; outages@ics-il.net Cc: 'outages@outages.org' <outages@outages.org> Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow Also much in agreement here. I signed up for this list for exactly what Mike stated: meaningful business critical services. I’d suggest someone spearhead the creation of another list for anything “social media” related. Michael J. Ferullo <www.hinckleyallen.com> Systems Administrator ________________________________ Hinckley Allen <http://www.hinckleyallen.com/> 28 State Street Boston, MA 02109-1775 p: 617-378-4226 | f: 617-345-9020 mferullo@hinckleyallen.com<mailto:mferullo@hinckleyallen.com> From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org<mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org>> On Behalf Of Steven McCrory via Outages Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:23 AM To: 'Mike Bolitho' <mikebolitho@gmail.com<mailto:mikebolitho@gmail.com>>; outages@ics-il.net<mailto:outages@ics-il.net>; outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org> Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow Wholeheartedly agree From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org<mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org>> On Behalf Of Mike Bolitho via Outages Sent: 20 November 2018 15:18 To: outages@ics-il.net<mailto:outages@ics-il.net> Cc: outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org> Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow I would encourage everyone to revisit the info page for the outages mailing list found here: https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages "The purpose of this list is to have a central place to lookup and report so that end users & network operators know why their services (e-mail, phones, etc) went down eliminating the need to open tons of trouble tickets during a major event. One master ticket - such as fiber cut affect xxx OC48's would suffice. We hope this would empower users and network operators to post such events so that everyone could benefit from it. " The list is for reporting outages on carrier networks and has grown to cloud services (AWS, Azure) as those have expanded. Facebook is not a provider of any meaningful business critical services, and therefore does not fit in this forum. - Mike Bolitho On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 7:57 AM Mike Hammett via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote: Facebook is a fairly commonly used service. 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Wouldn't it be faster to create a mail filter to ignore outage notifications with social media platforms in the subject line than it would to write up an email complaining about it? Good grief. Brian Ladd Customer Care Manager Voiceopia Communications On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 9:28 AM Andrew R. LaPour via Outages < outages@outages.org> wrote:

Gentlemen, some of you complain more than help. To judge the criticality of a service for other businesses is simply ignorant. An issue with a service as vast as FB could certainly be related to carrier services... As you all know, Cloud/SaaS services have evolved to a degree in which outages have a larger impact on businesses today than ever before and thus this list, like it or not, has also evolved.

From what I'm aware of the US is currently experiencing issues with FB, Instagram and LastPass. The latter is impacting business for us. Coincidence? Maybe. The root cause will certainly be interesting.

Andrew LaPour VP of Information Technology

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-------- Original Message -------- From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> on behalf of Nick Pron via Outages <outages@outages.org> Date: Tue, November 20, 2018 9:38 AM -0600 To: outages@outages.org Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow

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Just saying that FB is integrated with a lot of applications with their Connect platform... Knowing it could be down could be useful for some folks…

Just because you guys dislike/don’t use FB doesn’t mean it might not be useful to some people

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*From:* Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Ferullo, Michael J. via Outages *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:25 AM *To:* 'Steven McCrory' <steven@simplyip.net>; 'Mike Bolitho' < mikebolitho@gmail.com>; outages@ics-il.net *Cc:* 'outages@outages.org' <outages@outages.org> *Subject:* Re: [outages] facebook slow

Also much in agreement here. I signed up for this list for exactly what Mike stated: meaningful business critical services. I’d suggest someone spearhead the creation of another list for anything “social media” related.

*Michael J. Ferullo* <http://www.hinckleyallen.com> *Systems Administrator* ------------------------------

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*From:* Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Steven McCrory via Outages *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:23 AM *To:* 'Mike Bolitho' <mikebolitho@gmail.com>; outages@ics-il.net; outages@outages.org *Subject:* Re: [outages] facebook slow

Wholeheartedly agree

*From:* Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Mike Bolitho via Outages *Sent:* 20 November 2018 15:18 *To:* outages@ics-il.net *Cc:* outages@outages.org *Subject:* Re: [outages] facebook slow

I would encourage everyone to revisit the info page for the outages mailing list found here: https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages

*"The purpose of this list is to have a central place to lookup and report so that end users & network operators know why their services (e-mail, phones, etc) went down eliminating the need to open tons of trouble tickets during a major event. One master ticket - such as fiber cut affect xxx OC48's would suffice. We hope this would empower users and network operators to post such events so that everyone could benefit from it. "*

The list is for reporting outages on carrier networks and has grown to cloud services (AWS, Azure) as those have expanded. Facebook is not a provider of any meaningful business critical services, and therefore does not fit in this forum.

- Mike Bolitho

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 7:57 AM Mike Hammett via Outages < outages@outages.org> wrote:

Facebook is a fairly commonly used service.

Also, it's currently broken and has been so for about an hour.

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*From: *"Tanner Ryan via Outages" <outages@outages.org> *To: *"jimmy keffer" <horsezip@earthlink.net> *Cc: *outages@outages.org *Sent: *Tuesday, November 20, 2018 8:50:40 AM *Subject: *Re: [outages] facebook slow

I don’t see the point of sending this in the outages mailing list.

Best,

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LOLWUT have you srsly never heard of workplace by Facebook? Or OpenID? Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> on behalf of Steven McCrory via Outages <outages@outages.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 7:22:49 AM To: 'Mike Bolitho'; outages@ics-il.net; outages@outages.org Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow Wholeheartedly agree From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> On Behalf Of Mike Bolitho via Outages Sent: 20 November 2018 15:18 To: outages@ics-il.net Cc: outages@outages.org Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow I would encourage everyone to revisit the info page for the outages mailing list found here: https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages "The purpose of this list is to have a central place to lookup and report so that end users & network operators know why their services (e-mail, phones, etc) went down eliminating the need to open tons of trouble tickets during a major event. One master ticket - such as fiber cut affect xxx OC48's would suffice. We hope this would empower users and network operators to post such events so that everyone could benefit from it. " The list is for reporting outages on carrier networks and has grown to cloud services (AWS, Azure) as those have expanded. Facebook is not a provider of any meaningful business critical services, and therefore does not fit in this forum. - Mike Bolitho On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 7:57 AM Mike Hammett via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote: Facebook is a fairly commonly used service. Also, it's currently broken and has been so for about an hour. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________________________ From: "Tanner Ryan via Outages" <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> To: "jimmy keffer" <horsezip@earthlink.net<mailto:horsezip@earthlink.net>> Cc: outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 8:50:40 AM Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow I don’t see the point of sending this in the outages mailing list. Best, Tanner Ryan<https://TannerRyan.ca> canadatechguy@gmail.com<mailto:canadatechguy@gmail.com> _______________________________________________ Outages mailing list Outages@outages.org<mailto:Outages@outages.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages _______________________________________________ Outages mailing list Outages@outages.org<mailto:Outages@outages.org> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages

I think the point has been made that Facebook is relevant to certain businesses. The argument continues because many of us (myself included) joined this list with the intention of receiving network related outage notifications. Honest question: is it really that hard to create a second list and separate cloud services into one list and network outages into another? And Chris, I know you were joking in your email, but I actually agree with it. I think it's important to point out flaws so we can continually improve. Clearly there are people here that aren't happy with the list, so why not try to help improve it so we can eliminate these types of issues? Anywho, I'm done. I've made my point. Thanks for listening! :thumbsup: Michael J. Ferullo <www.hinckleyallen.com> Systems Administrator ________________________________ Hinckley Allen <http://www.hinckleyallen.com/> 28 State Street Boston, MA 02109-1775 p: 617-378-4226 | f: 617-345-9020 mferullo@hinckleyallen.com<mailto:mferullo@hinckleyallen.com> From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> On Behalf Of Laura Ulrick via Outages Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:41 AM To: outages@outages.org Subject: Re: [outages] facebook slow Workplace, Facebook Connect, and Marketing (days before the biggest shopping day of the year) are all critical to enough people- perhaps not everyone, but enough individuals and businesses rely on it to make it critical to them. But I'd rather be able to tell customers that it's down for a large portion of users, than read 20+ emails about how its not important enough to be on this list. Discussing the worthiness of an outage shouldn't take more emails than discussing the actual outage. Which btw- NW Ohio here, mobile is slow but working... desktop is slower and images/posts aren't fully loading. 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Or OpenID? 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On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 08:36:08AM -0800, Damian Menscher via Outages <outages@outages.org> wrote a message of 74 lines which said:

A modest proposal: any post to outages@ that doesn't contain a traceroute (detectable by regex) should be automatically redirected to -discuss@.

+1 Is dig acceptable, for DNS issues? (Yes, I'm joking. I'm always surprised that on a mailing list supposedly populated by NETWORK ENGINEERS AND OPERATORS, people report outages without any actual output from ping/traceroute/dig/similar, mentioning the city and not the AS, etc.)