The perceived S/N on outages seems to be dropping slightly again lately, so please remember: If it's a report that something appears out, a confirmation that something is out, or an inquiry directly related to either (concerning scope or necessary further data to confirm or deny), then it's on-topiv. As soon as you're tempted to reply to a posting and branch off into "and it probably wouldn't happen if they had..." or "and this happens a lot..." or any other such editorial comments -- and *certainly* if you are replying to one -- you should move your reply to -discussion, CCing the person to whom you're replying, in case they're not on that list. And, in other news: an additional reminder that if you get a message CCd to both you and a list you're already on anyway, it's nearly always because the sender's email client does not have a Reply-To-List button, as nearly all consumer MUAs do not. (I've had a ticket open on Zimbra for 4 years for this with no motion.) We try to keep the list as useful as possible to as large a number of subscribers as possible, but we understand that some audiences have disjoint requirements; we apologize if the rules we *do* try to enforce leave still too much traffic on the list for you. </moderator> And Happy Flag Day! Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA #natog +1 727 647 1274