On 2/19/2010 2:48 AM, Gert Doering wrote:

ugh, sorry for the typo in the subject. That should have been "versio.*DE*".

I think you must type as I do--not well. Just checking--"verio" or "versio"? I like this:

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USENET is *not* the non-clickable part of WWW!

FWIIW, I can reach selfhtml.org from here. -- "Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have." Remember: The Ark was built by amateurs, the Titanic by professionals. Requiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Eppure si rinfresca ICBM Targeting Information: http://tinyurl.com/4sqczs http://tinyurl.com/7tp8ml

Hi, On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 09:54:04AM -0600, Larry Sheldon wrote:

On 2/19/2010 2:45 AM, Gert Doering wrote:

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one of my collagues complained about selfhtml.org unreachability, so I checked, and what I found is disturbing:

;; ANSWER SECTION: selfhtml.org. 82408 IN NS ns12.verio.de. selfhtml.org. 82408 IN NS ns13.verio.de.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: ns12.verio.de. 86259 IN A 213.198.55.91 ns13.verio.de. 86259 IN A 213.198.65.162

Cisco-M-XXX>sh ip b 213.198.55.91 % Network not in table Cisco-M-XXX>sh ip b 213.198.65.192 % Network not in table

Verified at route-views.oregon-ix.net, so it's not a local problem in .DE

Does anybody know more?

I'm a little confused, not that that matters much.

In some places you say "verio.net", in others "verio.de"

I corrected that about two minutes later in a followup e-mail.

Similarly, you are looking, in one place, at "213.198.65.162", another, "213.198.65.192".

Since both addresses are from the same /24, and people don't do longer-than-/24 announcements, it doesn't really make a difference (actually the whole /17 was missing from the BGP system, but came back in the meantime). But indeed, I was not looking closely enough when I wrote that e-mail (the BGP output in question was done after the initial diagnosis to have something to cut-and-paste). Sorry for that. Didn't change the problem, though, and people actually interested in the *issue* have been able to figure out what I was talking about.

I wonder if part of the problem is a general sloppiness in the trouble-shooting.

... but some folks seem to be more interested in pointing out that I make mistakes every now and then. Yes, I'm aware of that. But since the original problem has been solved many hours ago, this is all sort of moot, and we should close the thread or take it off-list. gert -- USENET is *not* the non-clickable part of WWW! //www.muc.de/~gert/ Gert Doering - Munich, Germany gert@greenie.muc.de fax: +49-89-35655025 gert@net.informatik.tu-muenchen.de

I think that part of the problem is that sometimes these emails arrive out of chronological order. It's confused me before. Glad we're all a happy community again. =) Thank you, Mike Hoffman IT Help Desk Analyst Odyssey Logistics & Technology Corporation 39 Old Ridgebury Rd A-4 Danbury, CT  06810 Phone: (203) 448-3872 Fax: (203) 448-3901     Odyssey Overland LLC 1500 Rt 517 Hackettstown, NJ  07840 Phone: (908) 850-4490 x207 Fax: (908) 850-3852   CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by or to others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. -----Original Message----- From: outages-bounces@outages.org [mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org] On Behalf Of Larry Sheldon Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 12:20 PM To: Gert Doering Cc: outages@outages.org Subject: Re: [outages] ns12/ns13.verio.net fallen off the net? On 2/19/2010 10:22 AM, Gert Doering (in private email) wrote: [discussion about an outage, and my ham-handed response to typos....]

But indeed, I was not looking closely enough when I wrote that e-mail (the BGP output in question was done after the initial diagnosis to have something to cut-and-paste). Sorry for that.

Didn't change the problem, though, and people actually interested in the *issue* have been able to figure out what I was talking about.

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I wonder if part of the problem is a general sloppiness in the trouble-shooting.

... but some folks seem to be more interested in pointing out that I make mistakes every now and then. Yes, I'm aware of that.

I was actually trying to be helpful, although I'm not sure anybody would be able to tell that. I may be the king of typo's.

But since the original problem has been solved many hours ago, this is all sort of moot, and we should close the thread or take it off-list.

And I didn't pay attention to the time. And yes, it is past due being dropped, but I feel a need to publicly publish an apology for my boorish behaviour. Lot of stress fractures here, but that is not your problem. I'm sorry. -- "Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have." Remember: The Ark was built by amateurs, the Titanic by professionals. Requiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Eppure si rinfresca ICBM Targeting Information: http://tinyurl.com/4sqczs http://tinyurl.com/7tp8ml _______________________________________________ outages mailing list outages@outages.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages